Discussion:
Can I do 4-26 snapshot to 6.9-stable safely?
Luke Small
2021-05-01 03:49:50 UTC
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We’re there major irreversible changes made to the following snapshot:

kern.version=OpenBSD 6.9-current (GENERIC.MP) #479: Mon Apr 26 02:26:53 MDT
2021

which would render in incapable of a downgrade?
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-Luke
Theo de Raadt
2021-05-01 04:01:54 UTC
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Post by Luke Small
kern.version=OpenBSD 6.9-current (GENERIC.MP) #479: Mon Apr 26 02:26:53 MDT
2021
which would render in incapable of a downgrade?
The FAQ has a clear & simple answer to that question, and it is our
belief that noone deserves an independently decided answer on a
case-by-case basis. Basically, stop wasting our time.
Luke Small
2021-05-01 18:14:16 UTC
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I google searched: “site:openbsd.org (snapshot OR current) (stable OR
release) faq”

and found no results which speaks of minor downgrades.

Also, “sysupgrade -r” defaults to 7.0 when trying to upgrade from previous
6.9 snapshots to release. Is it intended to require folks to use bsd.rd (or
use an iso) to make that change?
Post by Theo de Raadt
Post by Luke Small
kern.version=OpenBSD 6.9-current (GENERIC.MP) #479: Mon Apr 26 02:26:53
MDT
Post by Luke Small
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which would render in incapable of a downgrade?
The FAQ has a clear & simple answer to that question, and it is our
belief that noone deserves an independently decided answer on a
case-by-case basis. Basically, stop wasting our time.
--
-Luke
Carson Chittom
2021-05-01 18:41:10 UTC
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Post by Luke Small
I google searched: “site:openbsd.org (snapshot OR current) (stable OR
release) faq”
and found no results which speaks of minor downgrades.
Also, “sysupgrade -r” defaults to 7.0 when trying to upgrade from previous
6.9 snapshots to release. Is it intended to require folks to use bsd.rd (or
use an iso) to make that change?
See the very first sentence on this page: https://www.openbsd.org/faq/upgrade69.html
Theo de Raadt
2021-05-01 18:52:27 UTC
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Post by Carson Chittom
Post by Luke Small
I google searched: “site:openbsd.org (snapshot OR current) (stable OR
release) faq”
and found no results which speaks of minor downgrades.
Also, “sysupgrade -r” defaults to 7.0 when trying to upgrade from previous
6.9 snapshots to release. Is it intended to require folks to use bsd.rd (or
use an iso) to make that change?
See the very first sentence on this page: https://www.openbsd.org/faq/upgrade69.html
No kidding.
jpeg bild
2021-05-01 22:26:42 UTC
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If you want to move back to stable, you would have to boot bsd.rd and
select "Upgrade" in the prompt, then install from http with the correct
path for 6.9-stable
Post by Luke Small
kern.version=OpenBSD 6.9-current (GENERIC.MP) #479: Mon Apr 26 02:26:53 MDT
2021
which would render in incapable of a downgrade?
--
-Luke
Luke Small
2021-05-02 00:25:50 UTC
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I tried that by the way. I even mv’ed my pf.conf to nullify it and tried
and it couldn’t download from the gigenet mirror which absolutely has the
6.9 files. It didn’t work at all. Sysupgrade really needs to be able to be
working on versions as well as -r and -s! The program isn’t intelligent
enough.
Post by jpeg bild
If you want to move back to stable, you would have to boot bsd.rd and
select "Upgrade" in the prompt, then install from http with the correct
path for 6.9-stable
Post by Luke Small
kern.version=OpenBSD 6.9-current (GENERIC.MP) #479: Mon Apr 26 02:26:53 MDT
2021
which would render in incapable of a downgrade?
--
-Luke
--
-Luke
Theo de Raadt
2021-05-02 00:51:15 UTC
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The FAQ speaks to this matter.

Noone else has anything more to say.

Please stop begging for personal handholding, everyone is getting
embarrassed.
Post by Luke Small
I tried that by the way. I even mv’ed my pf.conf to nullify it and tried
and it couldn’t download from the gigenet mirror which absolutely has the
6.9 files. It didn’t work at all. Sysupgrade really needs to be able to be
working on versions as well as -r and -s! The program isn’t intelligent
enough.
Post by jpeg bild
If you want to move back to stable, you would have to boot bsd.rd and
select "Upgrade" in the prompt, then install from http with the correct
path for 6.9-stable
Post by Luke Small
kern.version=OpenBSD 6.9-current (GENERIC.MP) #479: Mon Apr 26 02:26:53 MDT
2021
which would render in incapable of a downgrade?
--
-Luke
--
-Luke
Luke Small
2021-05-02 01:07:32 UTC
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I thought I’d be nice and try the beta to help out, but if the ramdisk
doesn’t even work anymore like it has in the past for me, I’m just going
from 6.9-current to 7.0-stable and never looking back at trying current
anymore. I could try sysupgrade -n and download the requisite 6.9-release
files to replace them, but I’m too worried it’d be messed in some way and
brick my machine.

I have a simple network setup of google fiber with a modem/router at
196.168.1.1 which the default pf.conf should work instead of my pretty
complicated (for a home network) pf.conf . I have no clue why the bsd.rd
doesn’t work anymore…unless the dhclient.conf which I’ve told to listen to
localhost for unbound and dnscrypt-proxy is gumming things up.

I sure wish sysupgrade was more reasonable.

Even pkg_add permits “downgrade”
Post by Theo de Raadt
The FAQ speaks to this matter.
Noone else has anything more to say.
Please stop begging for personal handholding, everyone is getting
embarrassed.
Post by Luke Small
I tried that by the way. I even mv’ed my pf.conf to nullify it and tried
and it couldn’t download from the gigenet mirror which absolutely has the
6.9 files. It didn’t work at all. Sysupgrade really needs to be able to
be
Post by Luke Small
working on versions as well as -r and -s! The program isn’t intelligent
enough.
Post by jpeg bild
If you want to move back to stable, you would have to boot bsd.rd and
select "Upgrade" in the prompt, then install from http with the correct
path for 6.9-stable
Post by Luke Small
We’re there major irreversible changes made to the following
kern.version=OpenBSD 6.9-current (GENERIC.MP) #479: Mon Apr 26
02:26:53
Post by Luke Small
Post by jpeg bild
Post by Luke Small
MDT
2021
which would render in incapable of a downgrade?
--
-Luke
--
-Luke
--
-Luke
Stuart Henderson
2021-05-02 14:43:34 UTC
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Post by Luke Small
I have a simple network setup of google fiber with a modem/router at
196.168.1.1 which the default pf.conf should work instead of my pretty
complicated (for a home network) pf.conf . I have no clue why the bsd.rd
doesn’t work anymore…unless the dhclient.conf which I’ve told to listen to
localhost for unbound and dnscrypt-proxy is gumming things up.
That is not a simple network setup. If you point your machine at a
resolver on the local machine, what do you expect to happen when you're
in the install kernel and that resolver isn't running?
jpeg bild
2021-05-02 01:07:28 UTC
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Use the fastly mirror, or download the files to a usb stick and select
"disk" at the prompt. once you go current you can't go back, and its
very clearly said in the FAQ as ashton said
Post by Luke Small
I tried that by the way. I even mv’ed my pf.conf to nullify it and tried
and it couldn’t download from the gigenet mirror which absolutely has the
6.9 files. It didn’t work at all. Sysupgrade really needs to be able to be
working on versions as well as -r and -s! The program isn’t
intelligent
enough.
Post by jpeg bild
If you want to move back to stable, you would have to boot bsd.rd and
select "Upgrade" in the prompt, then install from http with the correct
path for 6.9-stable
Post by Luke Small
kern.version=OpenBSD 6.9-current (GENERIC.MP) #479: Mon Apr 26 02:26:53 MDT
2021
which would render in incapable of a downgrade?
--
-Luke
--
-Luke
Luke Small
2021-05-02 01:37:09 UTC
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I would do that, but I’ll have to figure out how to manually mount my
encrypted partition, which sysupgrade and bsd.rd takes care if for me
automatically.
Post by jpeg bild
Use the fastly mirror, or download the files to a usb stick and select
"disk" at the prompt. once you go current you can't go back, and its
very clearly said in the FAQ as ashton said
Post by Luke Small
I tried that by the way. I even mv’ed my pf.conf to nullify it and tried
and it couldn’t download from the gigenet mirror which absolutely has the
6.9 files. It didn’t work at all. Sysupgrade really needs to be able to be
working on versions as well as -r and -s! The program isn’t intelligent
enough.
Post by jpeg bild
If you want to move back to stable, you would have to boot bsd.rd and
select "Upgrade" in the prompt, then install from http with the correct
path for 6.9-stable
Post by Luke Small
We’re there major irreversible changes made to the following
kern.version=OpenBSD 6.9-current (GENERIC.MP) #479: Mon Apr 26
02:26:53
Post by Luke Small
Post by jpeg bild
Post by Luke Small
MDT
2021
which would render in incapable of a downgrade?
--
-Luke
--
-Luke
--
-Luke
jpeg bild
2021-05-02 18:31:45 UTC
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No you don't chudazoid, you just select your usb disk with the file sets
after selecting "disk" as your file location
Post by Luke Small
I would do that, but I’ll have to figure out how to manually mount my
encrypted partition, which sysupgrade and bsd.rd takes care if for me
automatically.
Post by jpeg bild
Use the fastly mirror, or download the files to a usb stick and select
"disk" at the prompt. once you go current you can't go back, and its
very clearly said in the FAQ as ashton said
Post by Luke Small
I tried that by the way. I even mv’ed my pf.conf to nullify it and tried
and it couldn’t download from the gigenet mirror which absolutely has the
6.9 files. It didn’t work at all. Sysupgrade really needs to be able to be
working on versions as well as -r and -s! The program isn’t intelligent
enough.
Post by jpeg bild
If you want to move back to stable, you would have to boot bsd.rd and
select "Upgrade" in the prompt, then install from http with the correct
path for 6.9-stable
Post by Luke Small
We’re there major irreversible changes made to the following
kern.version=OpenBSD 6.9-current (GENERIC.MP) #479: Mon Apr 26
02:26:53
Post by Luke Small
Post by jpeg bild
Post by Luke Small
MDT
2021
which would render in incapable of a downgrade?
--
-Luke
--
-Luke
--
-Luke
Luke Small
2021-05-02 18:34:21 UTC
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There has to be a valid partition to install it to. When I have an
encrypted drive, that doesn’t exist using usb…chudazoid.
Post by jpeg bild
No you don't chudazoid, you just select your usb disk with the file sets
after selecting "disk" as your file location
Post by Luke Small
I would do that, but I’ll have to figure out how to manually mount my
encrypted partition, which sysupgrade and bsd.rd takes care if for me
automatically.
Post by jpeg bild
Use the fastly mirror, or download the files to a usb stick and select
"disk" at the prompt. once you go current you can't go back, and its
very clearly said in the FAQ as ashton said
Post by Luke Small
I tried that by the way. I even mv’ed my pf.conf to nullify it and tried
and it couldn’t download from the gigenet mirror which absolutely has the
6.9 files. It didn’t work at all. Sysupgrade really needs to be able to be
working on versions as well as -r and -s! The program isn’t intelligent
enough.
Post by jpeg bild
If you want to move back to stable, you would have to boot bsd.rd
and
Post by Luke Small
Post by jpeg bild
Post by Luke Small
Post by jpeg bild
select "Upgrade" in the prompt, then install from http with the
correct
Post by Luke Small
Post by jpeg bild
Post by Luke Small
Post by jpeg bild
path for 6.9-stable
Post by Luke Small
We’re there major irreversible changes made to the following
kern.version=OpenBSD 6.9-current (GENERIC.MP) #479: Mon Apr 26
02:26:53
Post by Luke Small
Post by jpeg bild
Post by Luke Small
MDT
2021
which would render in incapable of a downgrade?
--
-Luke
--
-Luke
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-Luke
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-Luke
Luke Small
2021-05-02 20:21:11 UTC
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That change to undo the “supersede” command to look at the local unbound
server in dhclient.conf fixed it.

Downloading 6.9 release as we speak.
Post by Luke Small
There has to be a valid partition to install it to. When I have an
encrypted drive, that doesn’t exist using usb…chudazoid.
Post by jpeg bild
No you don't chudazoid, you just select your usb disk with the file sets
after selecting "disk" as your file location
Post by Luke Small
I would do that, but I’ll have to figure out how to manually mount my
encrypted partition, which sysupgrade and bsd.rd takes care if for me
automatically.
Post by jpeg bild
Use the fastly mirror, or download the files to a usb stick and select
"disk" at the prompt. once you go current you can't go back, and its
very clearly said in the FAQ as ashton said
Post by Luke Small
I tried that by the way. I even mv’ed my pf.conf to nullify it and tried
and it couldn’t download from the gigenet mirror which absolutely
has
Post by Luke Small
Post by jpeg bild
Post by Luke Small
the
6.9 files. It didn’t work at all. Sysupgrade really needs to be able to be
working on versions as well as -r and -s! The program isn’t intelligent
enough.
Post by jpeg bild
If you want to move back to stable, you would have to boot bsd.rd
and
Post by Luke Small
Post by jpeg bild
Post by Luke Small
Post by jpeg bild
select "Upgrade" in the prompt, then install from http with the
correct
Post by Luke Small
Post by jpeg bild
Post by Luke Small
Post by jpeg bild
path for 6.9-stable
Post by Luke Small
We’re there major irreversible changes made to the following
kern.version=OpenBSD 6.9-current (GENERIC.MP) #479: Mon Apr 26
02:26:53
Post by Luke Small
Post by jpeg bild
Post by Luke Small
MDT
2021
which would render in incapable of a downgrade?
--
-Luke
--
-Luke
--
-Luke
--
-Luke
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-Luke
jpeg bild
2021-05-02 21:19:23 UTC
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I mean use the usb stick for the files mormozoid. boot using bsd.rd and
at the "upgrade" prompt instead of selecting http mount your drive and
select "disk" and type in the location of the mount
Post by Luke Small
There has to be a valid partition to install it to. When I have an
encrypted drive, that doesn’t exist using usb…chudazoid.
Post by jpeg bild
No you don't chudazoid, you just select your usb disk with the file sets
after selecting "disk" as your file location
Post by Luke Small
I would do that, but I’ll have to figure out how to manually mount my
encrypted partition, which sysupgrade and bsd.rd takes care if for me
automatically.
Post by jpeg bild
Use the fastly mirror, or download the files to a usb stick and select
"disk" at the prompt. once you go current you can't go back, and its
very clearly said in the FAQ as ashton said
Post by Luke Small
I tried that by the way. I even mv’ed my pf.conf to nullify it and tried
and it couldn’t download from the gigenet mirror which absolutely has the
6.9 files. It didn’t work at all. Sysupgrade really needs to be able
to be
working on versions as well as -r and -s! The program isn’t intelligent
enough.
Post by jpeg bild
If you want to move back to stable, you would have to boot bsd.rd
and
Post by Luke Small
Post by jpeg bild
Post by Luke Small
Post by jpeg bild
select "Upgrade" in the prompt, then install from http with the
correct
Post by Luke Small
Post by jpeg bild
Post by Luke Small
Post by jpeg bild
path for 6.9-stable
Post by Luke Small
We’re there major irreversible changes made to the following
kern.version=OpenBSD 6.9-current (GENERIC.MP) #479: Mon Apr 26
02:26:53
Post by Luke Small
Post by jpeg bild
Post by Luke Small
MDT
2021
which would render in incapable of a downgrade?
--
-Luke
--
-Luke
--
-Luke
--
-Luke
Luke Small
2021-05-02 21:36:30 UTC
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I didn’t think of that one. I’ll try to remember that in the future.
Post by jpeg bild
I mean use the usb stick for the files mormozoid. boot using bsd.rd and
at the "upgrade" prompt instead of selecting http mount your drive and
select "disk" and type in the location of the mount
Post by Luke Small
There has to be a valid partition to install it to. When I have an
encrypted drive, that doesn’t exist using usb…chudazoid.
Post by jpeg bild
No you don't chudazoid, you just select your usb disk with the file
sets
Post by Luke Small
Post by jpeg bild
after selecting "disk" as your file location
Post by Luke Small
I would do that, but I’ll have to figure out how to manually mount my
encrypted partition, which sysupgrade and bsd.rd takes care if for me
automatically.
Post by jpeg bild
Use the fastly mirror, or download the files to a usb stick and
select
Post by Luke Small
Post by jpeg bild
Post by Luke Small
Post by jpeg bild
"disk" at the prompt. once you go current you can't go back, and
its
Post by Luke Small
Post by jpeg bild
Post by Luke Small
Post by jpeg bild
very clearly said in the FAQ as ashton said
Post by Luke Small
I tried that by the way. I even mv’ed my pf.conf to nullify it
and
Post by Luke Small
Post by jpeg bild
Post by Luke Small
Post by jpeg bild
Post by Luke Small
tried
and it couldn’t download from the gigenet mirror which
absolutely has
Post by Luke Small
Post by jpeg bild
Post by Luke Small
Post by jpeg bild
Post by Luke Small
the
6.9 files. It didn’t work at all. Sysupgrade really needs to be
able
Post by Luke Small
Post by jpeg bild
Post by Luke Small
Post by jpeg bild
Post by Luke Small
to be
working on versions as well as -r and -s! The program isn’t
intelligent
enough.
Post by jpeg bild
If you want to move back to stable, you would have to boot
bsd.rd
Post by Luke Small
Post by jpeg bild
and
Post by Luke Small
Post by jpeg bild
Post by Luke Small
Post by jpeg bild
select "Upgrade" in the prompt, then install from http with the
correct
Post by Luke Small
Post by jpeg bild
Post by Luke Small
Post by jpeg bild
path for 6.9-stable
Post by Luke Small
We’re there major irreversible changes made to the following
kern.version=OpenBSD 6.9-current (GENERIC.MP) #479: Mon Apr
26
Post by Luke Small
Post by jpeg bild
Post by Luke Small
Post by jpeg bild
02:26:53
Post by Luke Small
Post by jpeg bild
Post by Luke Small
MDT
2021
which would render in incapable of a downgrade?
--
-Luke
--
-Luke
--
-Luke
--
-Luke
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-Luke

Ashton Fagg
2021-05-02 00:42:22 UTC
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Post by jpeg bild
If you want to move back to stable, you would have to boot bsd.rd and
select "Upgrade" in the prompt, then install from http with the correct
path for 6.9-stable
…except that’s not supported.

Again, per the very first sentence:

https://www.openbsd.org/faq/upgrade69.html
jpeg bild
2021-05-02 01:01:10 UTC
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worked fine for me, its basically just reinstalling but with the same
configuration as your last install
Post by Ashton Fagg
Post by jpeg bild
If you want to move back to stable, you would have to boot bsd.rd and
select "Upgrade" in the prompt, then install from http with the correct
path for 6.9-stable
…except that’s not supported.
https://www.openbsd.org/faq/upgrade69.html
Stuart Henderson
2021-05-02 14:57:29 UTC
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Post by jpeg bild
worked fine for me, its basically just reinstalling but with the same
configuration as your last install
"not supported" does not mean "_won't_ work", it means "if you try this
and break things, we aren't going to try and change anything to accommodate
you, and really don't expect help"

(there is of course no warranty anyway, but for things which are _supposed_
to work we'll usually try to look into them).
Post by jpeg bild
Post by Ashton Fagg
Post by jpeg bild
If you want to move back to stable, you would have to boot bsd.rd and
select "Upgrade" in the prompt, then install from http with the correct
path for 6.9-stable
…except that’s not supported.
https://www.openbsd.org/faq/upgrade69.html
Golden rule with running snapshots around release time: if you want to move
to the standard release version / -stable afterwards, never upgrade to a
snapshot that has "-current" in the version string. You can easily check
after downloading by using what(1) on the kernel.

Care is needed with sysupgrade because after the kernel says "6.9" all you
can do is "sysupgrade -s" to upgrade to a snapshot. It's trivial to tweak
the shell script though.
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