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OT: Dell EMC switches
Ivo Chutkin
2021-04-08 18:58:59 UTC
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Hello everyone,

Does anyone have experience with Dell EMS switches?

Namely S4100 series, S4128F-ON or S4188F-ON.

Are they robust and reliable?

I need to replace number of Extreme Networks X650. 10G ports are loaded
nearly 80% all the time. We are pushing Internet traffic and some multicast.

Also, Dell EMC support third party OS like FTOS, Cumulus Linux OS or Big
Switch Networks Switch Light. It it means any good.

Thanks,
Ivo
Mischa
2021-04-08 19:06:25 UTC
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Hi Ivo,

I don’t have any experience with the Dell switches but what about the Arista DCS-7050QX-32 or DCS-7050QX-32S?
32x40G QSFP+ for the 7050QX-32
32x40G QSFP+ of which one QSFP+ can act as a dual personality to 4xSFP+ for the 7050QX-32S. (mind the S)

There are converters for the QSFP+ to turn them into a SFP+ port if you need more 10G but want to have a way to migrate to 40G.
You can do this with the Mellanox 655902-001 QSA adapter.

Which is pretty much what we have in production. :)
Are you planning to buy new or eBay? There are some pretty good deals on eBay.

Mischa
Post by Ivo Chutkin
Hello everyone,
Does anyone have experience with Dell EMS switches?
Namely S4100 series, S4128F-ON or S4188F-ON.
Are they robust and reliable?
I need to replace number of Extreme Networks X650. 10G ports are loaded nearly 80% all the time. We are pushing Internet traffic and some multicast.
Also, Dell EMC support third party OS like FTOS, Cumulus Linux OS or Big Switch Networks Switch Light. It it means any good.
Thanks,
Ivo
Diana Eichert
2021-04-09 20:23:24 UTC
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I second Arista switches, in my day job we use a lot of Arista
switches. Though one of the "issues" we see is Arista
drops older tech regularly. I believe their last presentation to us
was 25G/100G/400G switches.
Post by Mischa
Hi Ivo,
I don’t have any experience with the Dell switches but what about the Arista DCS-7050QX-32 or DCS-7050QX-32S?
32x40G QSFP+ for the 7050QX-32
32x40G QSFP+ of which one QSFP+ can act as a dual personality to 4xSFP+ for the 7050QX-32S. (mind the S)
There are converters for the QSFP+ to turn them into a SFP+ port if you need more 10G but want to have a way to migrate to 40G.
You can do this with the Mellanox 655902-001 QSA adapter.
Which is pretty much what we have in production. :)
Are you planning to buy new or eBay? There are some pretty good deals on eBay.
Mischa
Tom Smyth
2021-04-09 21:10:52 UTC
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+1 re arista switches...
Post by Diana Eichert
I second Arista switches, in my day job we use a lot of Arista
switches. Though one of the "issues" we see is Arista
drops older tech regularly. I believe their last presentation to us
was 25G/100G/400G switches.
Post by Mischa
Hi Ivo,
I don’t have any experience with the Dell switches but what about the
Arista DCS-7050QX-32 or DCS-7050QX-32S?
Post by Mischa
32x40G QSFP+ for the 7050QX-32
32x40G QSFP+ of which one QSFP+ can act as a dual personality to 4xSFP+
for the 7050QX-32S. (mind the S)
Post by Mischa
There are converters for the QSFP+ to turn them into a SFP+ port if you
need more 10G but want to have a way to migrate to 40G.
Post by Mischa
You can do this with the Mellanox 655902-001 QSA adapter.
Which is pretty much what we have in production. :)
Are you planning to buy new or eBay? There are some pretty good deals on
eBay.
Post by Mischa
Mischa
--
Kindest regards,
Tom Smyth.
Ivo Chutkin
2021-04-14 04:38:48 UTC
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Hello guys,

Thanks for replies. To add some more info for the case.

We have DWDM network with star topology. Switches will be connected to
center point with 100G uplink (currently 10G or 2x10G) via DWDM lambda.
Customers are connected to 10G ports.

We carry Internet traffic and IPTV multicast to regional ISPs over VLANs.

What is important for me is switch to be capable to carry traffic on
wire speed without packet loss. Latency is not big issue here.

I will also have a look at Arista switches.

Thanks a lot for the help,
Ivo
Post by Tom Smyth
+1 re arista switches...
Post by Diana Eichert
I second Arista switches, in my day job we use a lot of Arista
switches. Though one of the "issues" we see is Arista
drops older tech regularly. I believe their last presentation to us
was 25G/100G/400G switches.
Post by Mischa
Hi Ivo,
I don’t have any experience with the Dell switches but what about the
Arista DCS-7050QX-32 or DCS-7050QX-32S?
Post by Mischa
32x40G QSFP+ for the 7050QX-32
32x40G QSFP+ of which one QSFP+ can act as a dual personality to 4xSFP+
for the 7050QX-32S. (mind the S)
Post by Mischa
There are converters for the QSFP+ to turn them into a SFP+ port if you
need more 10G but want to have a way to migrate to 40G.
Post by Mischa
You can do this with the Mellanox 655902-001 QSA adapter.
Which is pretty much what we have in production. :)
Are you planning to buy new or eBay? There are some pretty good deals on
eBay.
Post by Mischa
Mischa
David Newman
2021-04-14 21:11:08 UTC
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Post by Ivo Chutkin
Hello guys,
Thanks for replies. To add some more info for the case.
We have DWDM network with star topology. Switches will be connected to
center point with 100G uplink (currently 10G or 2x10G) via DWDM lambda.
Customers are connected to 10G ports.
We carry Internet traffic and IPTV multicast to regional ISPs over VLANs.
What is important for me is switch to be capable to carry traffic on
wire speed without packet loss. Latency is not big issue here.
I will also have a look at Arista switches.
Thanks a lot for the help,
Ivo
In a previous day job, I did large-scale benchmarking of switches and
routers from Arista, Cisco, Huawei, Juniper, and many other vendors.

Switch ASICs have been commodities for years. Anything sold to
enterprises or service providers runs at wire speed* without loss,
provided the traffic pattern doesn't create oversubscription.

You can force loss by creating an oversubscribed traffic topology (e.g.,
directing traffic from two or more ingress ports to one egress port),
but then the loss is due to the traffic pattern (and to a small extent,
the amount of buffer memory), not the switching silicon.

Key point is that in terms of the RFC 1242 definition of throughput,
you're going to see wire-speed performance for pretty much any
enterprise-class switch, for any frame length. You're likely to see
differences in latency and jitter, but not throughput.

dn

*This is really an edge case, but the definition of "wire speed" can
differ between transmitting and receiving Ethernet ports because (a)
Ethernet is asynchronous (each device uses its own free-running clock)
and (b) device clocks can run at slightly different speeds and (c) even
within a single device, its clock will vary around that speed by
different amounts, depending on the precision of its clocking chip (a
timing crystal with 10-ppm precision costs a LOT more than one with
100-ppm precision).

As a result, you will see frame loss over time if a transmitter's clock
runs slightly faster than a receiver's clock. Many benchmarks are run
for a relatively short duration (e.g., 60-300 seconds) where buffering
will cover for clocking differences. Run a test long enough, and frame
loss may occur.

There's no one correct answer here. The IEEE spec says every Ethernet
interface must tolerate +/- 100 ppm of clocking variation, which can
lead to loss for the reasons discussed above.

The IETF RFC 1242/2544 and 2285/2889 specifications on router and switch
testing define throughput as a zero-loss condition. There's been much
discussion at the IETF about an acceptable loss threshold, but the only
number everyone agrees on is zero.
Post by Ivo Chutkin
Post by Tom Smyth
+1 re arista switches...
Post by Diana Eichert
I second Arista switches, in my day job we use a lot of Arista
switches.  Though one of the "issues" we see is Arista
drops older tech regularly.  I believe their last presentation to us
was 25G/100G/400G switches.
Post by Mischa
Hi Ivo,
I don’t have any experience with the Dell switches but what about the
Arista DCS-7050QX-32 or DCS-7050QX-32S?
Post by Mischa
32x40G QSFP+ for the 7050QX-32
32x40G QSFP+ of which one QSFP+ can act as a dual personality to 4xSFP+
for the 7050QX-32S. (mind the S)
Post by Mischa
There are converters for the QSFP+ to turn them into a SFP+ port if you
need more 10G but want to have a way to migrate to 40G.
Post by Mischa
You can do this with the Mellanox 655902-001 QSA adapter.
Which is pretty much what we have in production. :)
Are you planning to buy new or eBay? There are some pretty good deals on
eBay.
Post by Mischa
Mischa
Hrvoje Popovski
2021-04-08 19:37:05 UTC
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Post by Ivo Chutkin
Hello everyone,
Does anyone have experience with Dell EMS switches?
Namely S4100 series, S4128F-ON or S4188F-ON.
Are they robust and reliable?
I need to replace number of Extreme Networks X650. 10G ports are loaded
nearly 80% all the time. We are pushing Internet traffic and some multicast.
Also, Dell EMC support third party OS like FTOS, Cumulus Linux OS or Big
Switch Networks Switch Light. It it means any good.
Thanks,
Ivo
Hi,

are you sure that you can put ftos on s4100 series ?
i think that you can put OS10 or something else but not ftos.

i like their VLT (mlag) setup, it's easy to configure and maintain
unlike extreme mlag setup ..

for me OS10 i just not ok :) .. it's debian with lot's of python scripts
but os9 i really nice and mature

if you want i can send you some details privately
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